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Atlantis Gab es dies sagenumwobene Reich? Wo lag es? Gibt es Auswirkungen bis zum heutigen Tag? Wie beeinflusste es unsere Entwicklung?

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Alt 14.06.2018, 13:32   #1
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Atlantis as an anti-Semitic story

My book on Atlantis as Babylon: http://roodgoudvanparvaim.nl/

Atlantis was not simply “just” an island in a remote past that existed beyond Gibraltar in the ocean. Atlantis fits perfectly in the western dimension of Tzafon, which means “midnight”. It is incorrect to compare the downfall of Atlantis with the fall of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. This Edenic fall was designed by the God of Heaven and earth himself.

The fall of Atlantis has much more similarities with the downfall of EndTimes Babylon in Revelation 16:18 (compare with Critias 108). Babylon on the Euphrates was both the eastern and northern dimension of Tzafon. Her armies invaded Jerusalem from the north. How crazy and brilliant it was to mirror the downfall of EndTimes Babylon into a remote past and to make a contrary creation story of it. At this mythical island Atlantis it was not the God of Heaven and Earth who introduced evil to the island but Poseidon, the Greek equivalent of Dagon.

Dagon was the Philistine Deity and the second blueprint of Poseidon while the serpent in Eden was the first blueprint of Poseidon before the Flood. The Philistines from Crete (Bible: Kaftor) were the arch enemies of the Israëlites. So what was a Philistine deity doing in Plato’s story about the rise and downfall of Atlantis that resonated in every way with the downfall of EndTimes Babylon in Revelation 17-18 and with the downfall of Tyrus in Ezekiel 26-28?

The storyline of Atlantis seemed to cover the highlight of the ministry of Sint John with his book of Revelation. The storyline of Athens seemed to cover the highlight of the ministry of the apostle Paul’s speech on the Areopagus. This Areopagus was the domein of Athena in Acts 17. On this “Mars Hill” Paul faced the gods of Atlantis as he cited the Greek poet, Aratus who on his turn had written his own translation of Homer’s Odyssey. Aratus knew the story of Troy. Paul had been studying the scriptures at the feet of a rabbi named Gamaliel (Acts 22:3). He knew his classics. Paul had certainly heart of Homer’s Odyssey and the story of Troy.

If Poseidon aka Dagon was responsible for the evil that was introduced into Atlantis, then the God of Heaven and Earth was not an almighty God anymore. At best He was a bit more almighty than Poseidon. If a lesser God introduced evil in the world, then there were suddenly two competetive Gods instead of an almighty God who also created evil, war and famine (Isaiah 45:7). The downfall of Atlantis was at the same time the enthronement of the almighty God of heaven and earth of his power to create evil. Poseidon had actually won this game. As the rejection of the gospel by the Israelites had cleared the road for Paul to bring the gospel to the nations (Acts 28), it seemed that the downfall of Atlantis had also wept Israel out of Plato’s Atlantis story.

In Acts 14:12 the Greek compared Paul with Hermes and Barnabas with Zeus, the same god who had punished Atlantis. In Acts 28 the people from Malta thought Paul to be a God when he was bitten by a Poseidon like serpent. On Malta, Paul was in an Atlantis like situation from where he – coming from Crete – escaped to Sicily on a ship named Dioscures (Acts 28:11). These Dioscures were the Roman Pillars of Hercules and named Castor and Pollux.

Why did Plato come up with such a religous story that was clothed with so many symbols that we find in the book of Revelation? And more: why was the main protagonist lacking in the Atlantis story? This protagonist was of course, Israel. Was this by accident? Or was Plato’s Atlantis story a Greek variant of early anti-Semitism? Not for nothing it was the apostle Paul who was sent by the resurrected Christ to the Areopagus to be confronted with the Gods of Atlantis. A better question is: who was Plato anyway?
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Alt 14.06.2018, 16:39   #2
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Hello Knakker and welcome to our forum. As you might have noted, our forum is in german language, and so you might not get as many answers as you expect. Some of us speak english, too, however.

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Atlantis as an anti-Semitic story
As far as can be reconstructed, Atlantis was more of a science-fiction story, than anything resembling reality. Plato tried to imagine an ideal state. That atlantis was a totalitarian regime, according to his description, is often ignored.

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Why did Plato come up with such a religous story that was clothed with so many symbols that we find in the book of Revelation?
Because both books are members of the same genre, loosely speaking: utopian fiction.

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And more: why was the main protagonist lacking in the Atlantis story?
Because when Plato lived, people obviously had a different concept of an exciting or inspiring book.

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This protagonist was of course, Israel.
What?

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Or was Plato’s Atlantis story a Greek variant of early anti-Semitism?
No, more a pipedream of an ancient philosopher who did not have any experience with any political entity numbering more than a few ten thousand people. He might have had the impression that the rulers of Athens were ruling all of Athens and maybe more, however, it's not even plausible to imply that everybody had an idea of a totalitarian state (like Atlantis) when it came to the question of what constitutes a kingdom. It's true that modern totalitarianistic nations (or other political entities) invariantly degenerated to tyrannis. However, antiquity was quite different.

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Not for nothing it was the apostle Paul who was sent by the resurrected Christ to the Areopagus to be confronted with the Gods of Atlantis.
No.

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A better question is: who was Plato anyway?
Surprisingly little is known about antique Philosophers like Plato, when it comes to questions of biography. I think it'd be reasonable to assume that the average contemporary Athenian thought about Plato as a nice, rich, well-known, reasonable guy who lived somewhere up the hill, and who was always helpful when it came to politics. What has been preserved of what he did and said must be merely a splinter of his life.
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o really, was Plato just describing a scifi fantasy story? By accident full of symbols from the book of Revelation and last but not least with Poseidon aka Dagon as the protagonist.
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